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« on: December 15, 2010, 10:23:17 PM »

http://www.twitvid.com/6S95O
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 01:39:29 AM »

"Perfect World":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOr8qT4qr1M

"Divorce Song":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfPf1X1jgjc
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 07:52:26 AM »

"Never Said":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg61oo7uMIQ
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 06:28:11 PM »

Man, this band sounds great. "Never Said" in particular is one that went from rrrock to pussy pop over the years but seems to have gone raw again. Right on. OH! and look who's playing an A MAJOR and not an A MINOR this time through, just like back in the day. Yeah, I said it.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 09:51:11 AM »

Man, this band sounds great. "Never Said" in particular is one that went from rrrock to pussy pop over the years but seems to have gone raw again. Right on. OH! and look who's playing an A MAJOR and not an A MINOR this time through, just like back in the day. Yeah, I said it.


 Agreed on all counts.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010, 01:11:10 AM »

Man, this band sounds great. "Never Said" in particular is one that went from rrrock to pussy pop over the years but seems to have gone raw again. Right on. OH! and look who's playing an A MAJOR and not an A MINOR this time through, just like back in the day. Yeah, I said it.

Hmm. When I see her in Minneapolis, I'll look REAL close to see if she hits the third in that A or if she does the power chord thing and plays just the 1st and Fifth notes. Because of course, if she doesn't play the third or flatted 3rd, it's ambiguous as to whether it's an A or an Am.
REAL close,unless I can't bear to take my eyes off Liz to look at her guitar, which I suspect will be the case, as surely Liz will be the most beautiful woman in Minnesota that night.
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2010, 06:29:05 AM »

She's not playing power chords, she's playing open chords. That's how that song was always done. You can hear it in every old bootleg from the Matador days. That second chord is 244300, you can hear it and see it in the video linked in this thread.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2010, 01:34:45 PM »

She's not playing power chords, she's playing open chords. That's how that song was always done. You can hear it in every old bootleg from the Matador days. That second chord is 244300, you can hear it and see it in the video linked in this thread.

In this vid posted above  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg61oo7uMIQ   she starts with playing an open chord--E (don't know what how she's tuned, though) and then the rest of the verse chords are barre chords.

In this vid from 1994, she's playing open chords with Am as 2nd chord. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E1Fy3Uc5YA
Also open chords with Am here from 2003:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrTQyK0nz78&feature=related

Whatever. I play it as it sounds, not looks.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2010, 08:49:41 PM »

The video you say is from 1994 is actually from 1999. I guess that was the start of her playing a minor chord, which incidentally was also the start of that song sounding lame.

The video posted from this current tour shows her playing 244300--an open chord--as the second chord, which is how it is played on the album and how she played it in all live performances of the song from 1993 to 1995. You can hear the open notes clearly in this video--put headphones on and listen. The guitar is tuned up to G. You don't even have to see it to believe it. She's playing 244300, not 244222, and you can hear the 7th note (the open 1st string). It's clearly a funky sound, coming from that 7th, and not a melancholy one.

But if she were playing an E minor shape barre chord in that position, it would look the way it does in this video, taken from the same night:

"Fuck & Run":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfcNorFLspg

Notice she rests her fully extended middle finger against her barre finger for support and doesn't just leave it hovering above the 3rd string as you're apparently suggesting she's doing on "Never Said". You can see this most clearly at the :30 second mark. It's unmistakeable, and it's how I'd finger that chord if I were playing it, too.

By the way, this is the longest guitar tab argument I've ever had, and it's over something that is so obvious it should never have been a point of contention in the first place.
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